Category: Two Julians

  • Norwich – West End Retreat (Two Julians)

    Norwich – West End Retreat (Two Julians)

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    Next in our mini tour of Norwich pubs was the West End Retreat, first opened in the 1840s although the gardens are a little less extensive than they once were as the bowling green was sold off for housing at the turn of this century. An advert in the Norwich Mercury on 25 May 1859 notes:

    “To Builders, Speculators and Others. To be sold, by private contract, the well known premises called the West End Retreat. This freehold estate comprises house, containing bar and bar parlour, and other rooms, pleasure grounds, ninepin ground, stables and coachhouse; also baronial hall capable of holding 3,000 persons, conveniently fitted up with galleries, bars, etc; and also another large room with bars, and other conveniences therein, and contains, with the site of the buildings, about 2.25 acres. The above is admirably adapted not only for a public house and pleasure gardens, but also for building purposes.”

    The extent of the bowling green is visible from this map from the 1870s.

    On 4 August 1860, the Norfolk News mentioned the case of a 16 year old who had smashed the windows of the home belonging to his parents and they said they didn’t know what to do with him. He kept going out and getting drunk, with the Chief Constable of the police commenting that “the Orchard Gardens, the West End Retreat and such like places were perfect sinks of iniquity”. Those pubs are the favourites of Julian S, I can imagine he’d be there until late in the evening… The Mayor told the Chief Constable to arrange visits so that the magistrates could take action, but the pub continued trading despite its reputation.

    I won’t spent too long on the history of this pub, but there were no shortage of press reports of fights, disturbances and issues at the pub throughout the 1860s to 1890s. It would be fair to say that the pub seemed to be attracting all manner of issues, it wasn’t a pub at ease with itself, although I make no comment on what happened in the twentieth century but matters seemed to calm down judging by newspaper reports. The structure was though damaged during air raids during the Second World War and so there was some rebuilding necessary. I will though quote from CAMRA in what appears to from around 2010.

    “Built in the early twentieth century it retains the floor-plan of two bars and an off-sales. The little altered interior from c.1960 is rare and due to the fact that the pub was run by Jan & Jack Wakefield for 37 years until they retired in 2005. On the right the public bar with a ‘1’ on the door has a 1960s flat roof extension which almost doubles its size and retains an old counter which has a new top over a Formica one, 1960s bar back with an old till drawer and old Bullards Ales window. Opposite the front door is the separate off-sales with a ‘3’ on the door and a red Formica top counter – intact off-sales like this are very rare. The former lounge on the left with a ‘2’ on the door is now a games room which retains its 1960s counter with a red Formica top, classic 1960s bar back but the fireplace has been lost. To the right is a now disused bowling green which is due to be sold as building plots.”

    It’s evident that someone has recently removed all of this, as CAMRA now note:

    “A pub interior of limited or no national historic interest.”

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    The remainder of the pub’s gardens, with the building on the right being placed on what was the bowling green.

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    This was my only interior photo as it was quite busy and I didn’t feel entirely comfortable going around taking too many photos of the arrangements. The service was polite and immediate, although there were no real ales available. The customers mostly seemed to be regulars and I can’t say the welcome was unfriendly but I suspect our presence was noted. Incidentally, the document above relates to the Bricklayers Arms on Bull Close which closed in 1995.

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    There weren’t many seats available, so we went out into the garden area for our drinks, something which is most unlike us.

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    It’s not Stella, as I would never be seen drinking that, it’s instead Camden Hells and it tasted as expected and was reasonably priced.

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    We had some company in the garden.

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    It appears that new owners have taken over the pub relatively recently, so it’s not clear whether the fish and chips will be making a return. Indeed, I can’t find out much from social media or the venue’s web-site exactly what is going on.

    All told, this is another pub survivor and we should be most grateful for that. It was busy on a weekday afternoon which is the sign of a proper community pub, with the welcome being warm and friendly. They accept card and cash, with the surroundings feeling inviting and clean. The lack of real ales is sub-optimal, but that might have just been a temporary matter as one pump clip was just turned around so perhaps there’s one available at the weekends. There’s plenty of external space and I hope that they get the fish and chips going again, a most agreeable situation for those visiting the pub.

  • Norwich – Nelson Pub [closed] (Two Julians)

    Norwich – Nelson Pub [closed] (Two Julians)

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    This is quite sad to see, the Nelson seems to be long-term closed and there doesn’t appear to be any activity going on at the moment that suggests that it might open again. The pub first opened in the 1850s and it’s fortunate that it’s still here as the owners attempted to demolish it in 1989 to build eight homes.

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    Located on the junction of Nelson Street and Armes Street, this is in a residential area and not far from the Fat Cat, so it certainly has some potential.

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    Unfortunately for the venue, it’s owned by Stonegate and that often means a tied pub and a hefty rent package so it would be a brave person who takes this on. Also, since it’s September and the open day was on 15 March, that doesn’t suggest they’ve found such a brave person yet. Likely Stonegate will spend £300,000 doing up the inside of the pub in some generic manner and then jack the rent up to something unachieveable. At the moment, and in support of Stonegate, they’re currently advertising the rent of this at £17,500 per year which is much lower than I’d expect from them although there are caveats to that.

    Stonegate themselves describe this pub as:

    “The Nelson is situated in a residential suburb to the Northwest of the city just outside the inner ring road and is considered a very traditional wet led venue. The décor is traditional, with a modern touch which creates a warm and relaxed atmosphere and welcomes the surrounding local community with traditional pub games and live sports. The pub has two distinct trading areas, which are divided by a double-sided central bar servery. The bars have a traditional style, fitting with the theme of the pub; one area having a pool table with space for up to 30 covers and the other approximately 50 covers. The Nelson also boasts an outdoor covered beer garden with a patio and spacious lawn, a great selling point during the summer season which has the potential to be very popular. Another great facility of this pub is its outbuildings which may be very useful for storage for the future publican. The light and spacious private accommodation consists of three-bedrooms, a lounge and a kitchen, ideal for a family. Stonegate Pub Partners are seeking an experienced publican who is willing to immerse themselves within the local community and maximise revenue.”

    I’m not convinced that this will re-open, but the community would no doubt benefit by having another pub open in this area.

  • Norwich – Fat Cat (Two Julians)

    Norwich – Fat Cat (Two Julians)

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    Julian and I decided to postpone a more rural visit to the further reaches of Norfolk in favour of a Norwich based tour, as I needed to be back for bar billiards. Julian S refers to this as something like bare knuckle stick action, but he doesn’t understand sport in the way that I do, although at times I wonder if he might just be right. When talking to people outside Norwich, the Fat Cat is one of the pubs that most people identify with the city as it has a long tradition of being a destination real ale pub since it opened in 1991. It has won many CAMRA awards, not least the National Pub of the Year twice, and is also listed in the Good Beer Guide. The pub, located on West End Street, had first opened in the late 1860s and was known as the New Inn until 1991, when it took its current Fat Cat name under the ownership of Colin Keatley. He had previously run the White Lion on Oak Street, which is today one of the best pubs in the country despite the landlord’s ability to lead me astray, but we won’t go too far down that line on this blog post.

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    Some of the extensive range of real ales, of which they had around twenty which shows just how much they’re selling here. There were also ciders and craft beer options, but the real ale selection was well balanced and all major beer types were covered. Breweries included Titanic, Thornbridge, Green Jack, Oakham to name just a few, along with the beers brewed in-house by the Fat Cat Brewing Company. Julian and I are very punctilious in every possible way, so we knew we had just time for one beer here despite the number of tempting and almost seductive options.

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    The beers are keenly priced, with one lower priced option which is a marvellous idea for a pub. It’s not cheap visiting pubs today given the cost of living increases, so affordable options are much appreciated and venues might find that they’re a necessity if matters continue as they are.

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    And more of the beer selection.

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    I went for the Marmalade Cat from the Fat Cat Brewing Company, which was well kept, fresh and suitably full bodied. Julian S also commented positively about his Citra from Oakham Ales.

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    There’s plenty of character to the pub and there’s no shortage of beer memorabilia about the place. That door leads to another seating area which is often used for meetings and the like.

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    Decorations attached to the ceiling. I would never dare do this in a pub that I had, I’d be nervous one would fall on someone’s head. I admire their confidence, or at least, I am realistic about my own DIY abilities. But, I digress.

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    There’s one long central bar and the venue has been extended on numerous occasions over the years. Although we visited on a quiet afternoon, I understand that it’s often very busy and it’s not always easy to find a seat. There was a mixture of regulars and also I got the impression a couple of visitors new to the pub who had heard about its reputation.

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    Some old pub signs and unfortunately the King’s Head at Worstead and the Shropham Three Horseshoes are no longer with us other than as memories.

    I haven’t been to this pub for nearly ten years and by chance, I was to visit it again the following evening for a CAMRA planning meeting for the Norwich Beer Festival. I was pleased to return, the choice of real ales was as good as anywhere in Norfolk and the service was immediate and friendly. I’m also pleased that I don’t need to write anything negative about this visit, as it would have been just a little sacrilegious to be critical of this fine establishment. Although, for the record, Julian and I are not easily kowtowed, so I would have mentioned any issues that arose, but I’m pleased to say there was nothing negative.

  • King’s Lynn – Two Julians (Part One)

    King’s Lynn – Two Julians (Part One)

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    We were going long haul on our latest visit as part of the Two Julians (visit our back catalogue of trips at http://www.norfolksuffolk.org.uk/) and our plan to eventually visit every pub in Norfolk and Suffolk. The Excel bus to King’s Lynn cost me just £2 and it was even better for Julian who travels for free. The pubs we visited were:

    The Lattice House

    Maids Head

    The Eagle

    Bank House

    Wenns

    There will be another visit to King’s Lynn in due course in our rigorous research efforts. It was positive to see the Lattice House reopened as the pub is in such an important and interesting historic building it seemed a great shame for it to be closed. The Maids Head and the Eagle were both Craft Union pubs with cheap prices, whereas the Bank House was a grand decadent building which was for a long time a bank. The Good Beer Guide listed Wenns was probably my favourite venue of the day.

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    As we were in the area, I tried once again to visit St Nicholas’ Chapel but they have limited opening hours and I’ve never been able to go in. One day…..

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    King’s Lynn is often under-rated, but it has some of the best medieval buildings in the region and I keep finding new things on my visits to the town. This is the gateway to the monastery run by the Austin Friars, where Kings and Princes would have stayed when coming to what was then Bishop’s Lynn.

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    King’s Staith Lane, one of the atmospheric roads leading down to the river.

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    And the bus back home after another tiring research trip. We straddle the Waveney so you don’t have to….

  • King’s Lynn – Wenns Chop & Ale House (Two Julians)

    King’s Lynn – Wenns Chop & Ale House (Two Julians)

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    The fifth and final pub on our study tour to King’s Lynn was Wenns, which I’ve visited a few times before and I’ve always been suitably impressed. For anyone who has more time on their hands than they know what to do with, here’s my first visit and here’s when I went with my friend Łukasz for food. The venue’s name does make it sound food based, but plenty of customers just visit for a drink and they are listed in the Good Beer Guide.

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    The beer selection and we both went for the Juice Rocket from Three Blind Mice, but there was also Directors from Courage and Fever Pitch from Marston’s. The service was prompt and efficient, with the venue being relatively quiet. Prices are a little higher than in the other pubs, but they weren’t unreasonable.

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    Hazy and with plenty of juicy flavour to it, I’ve never had a bad beer from Three Blind Mice. I will be making another visit to Three Blind’s pub in Ely, the Drayman’s Son, at some point.

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    There’s a cafe bar feel to the venue, which also offers accommodation. I find the surroundings comfortable here and there are numerous different seating areas available. As I discovered last time when playing Jenga, there are also plenty of games to amuse customers as well. We decided against rushing for the bus back to Norwich and instead lingered here as it all felt suitably pleasant. This remains one of my favourite locations in King’s Lynn and I like the mixture of cask and keg.

  • King’s Lynn – Bank House (Two Julians)

    King’s Lynn – Bank House (Two Julians)

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    The fourth pub of the day for Julian and I on our study tour to King’s Lynn was rather decadent, the upmarket Bank House. This is one of the newer pubs in the town as it only opened in 1983 and remained open for a decade before partly being turned into offices.

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    There are numerous different dates online about when the building was reopened as a restaurant, bar and hotel, but it’s all rather glamorous. It was first constructed in the seventeenth century as a merchant’s house and was then turned into a bank which was used by the Gurneys, later part of Barclays Bank.

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    The venue has its own plaque and there’s an extensive history of the building on their web-site which includes:

    “A stunning Grade II * listed Georgian townhouse, described by Sir Nikolaus Pevsner as one of the finest houses in King’s Lynn, Bank House was built in the early 18th Century for one of King’s Lynn’s richest merchants. Underneath the house extensive barrel roofed vaults extend down to the river where wine imported from the continent would have been stored before being shipped on to Cambridge, Ely or the North.

    In the 1780s Joseph Gurney set up his first bank in Bank House. A dent is visible in the wooden floor of the Counting House, now the front room of the Brasserie, where nervous customers once shuffled their feet as they waited at the cashiers’ desk to make their withdrawals.”

    And any building that Pevsner likes, I’m fairly certain that I’m going to like as well.

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    The area where “nervous customers once shuffled their feet” is where that hatch is located.

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    This is the front room of the Brasserie and the room to the right is the former bank manager’s office.

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    And here is that room, the former bank manager’s office, which is now the bar area. It’s all tastefully decorated although some of the seating feels more decorative than functional.

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    There were two real ales available, 61 Deep and Pedigree which are both from Marstons. I went for the 61 Deep, which is a reference to how deep the well is at Marston’s brewery in Burton, and it was well-kept and at the appropriate temperature (the beer, not the well in Burton). Julian went for a soft drink, so I assumed that he was very unwell and I don’t think he’ll make that mistake again in a hurry. I didn’t like to say anything.

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    I thought that this was a rather smartly laid out venue and there were numerous dining rooms and seating areas. The team members were friendly and welcoming, so it felt inviting despite the grand surroundings. I’m not sure that many people go in just for a drink as this is primarily a dining venue, but they’re welcome to do so and there are a few tables to sit at. We were visiting in the afternoon and they were still serving, although they didn’t have many customers at that point.

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    The food menus and I thought that the prices seemed quite agreeable given the decadence of the surroundings.

    This venue couldn’t have been much different from the previous two pubs we had been to, both Craft Union, but I enjoyed the environment and it all felt informal. There’s always something exciting about being in a building with so much heritage and I wouldn’t rule out returning here for a meal. All rather lovely.

  • King’s Lynn – The Eagle (Two Julians)

    King’s Lynn – The Eagle (Two Julians)

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    The next pub on our study tour to King’s Lynn was the Eagle, another Craft Union pub. It has been a pub since the 1850s, although has gone through numerous name changes, merging with the neighbouring White Swan in 1887 to form the Eagle & Swan.

    A bomb hit the pub on 12 June 1942, killing 16 people and the newly rebuilt pub didn’t reopen until 1959. There was a £125,000 investment into the pub in 2017 when the Eagle name was brought back, having formerly been Bar Red.

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    The choice of real ales was between Ghost Ship from Adnams and Doom Bar, so we inevitably went for the former. Priced at just £2.50 a pint, it was well kept and tasted as expected. The serving in a Carling glass isn’t ideal, I don’t want to get a reputation if anyone thinks I had ordered it. The service was polite and efficient, with the pub taking card payments.

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    The pub is long with a pool table at the rear as well as a sizeable beer garden which was busy when we visited. It’s very much a sports pub and there are screens located around the venue. It was all clean, tidy and well presented although there are some parts of the pub that are in need of repair and the toilets have seen better days. Indeed, the matter of smashed toilets, missing toilet seats and general vandalism appear to have beset the pub for many years judging by the reviews.

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    The front bar of the pub, with the flags I think relating to the ongoing FIFA Women’s World Cup. There was a change of team members during our visit and so enthusiastically were they singing their version of karaoke they missed customers and weren’t acknowledging those entering and leaving the pub. The pub doesn’t serve food and its main selling point appears to be sport and cheap drinks.

    The Eagle does have a sense of being a community pub and the atmosphere was informal and laid-back, although it’s been picking up a few negative reviews recently. It’s a competitive area given the nearby Maids Head, also Craft Union, and the Globe, the sizeable JD Wetherspoon pub, but it was one of the busiest pubs that we visited. Certainly a lively venue, I definitely can’t complain about the value for money.

  • King’s Lynn – Maids Head (Two Julians)

    King’s Lynn – Maids Head (Two Julians)

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    The second pub that Julian and I visited on our study tour was the Craft Union operated Maids Head which is located on the Tuesday Market Place in the town. It first opened in the 1730s and became a Bullards pub which is evident from the rather attractive tablets on the frontage. I’m not sure why there’s a door on the right hand side, that was once a window and it’s evident from the brickwork that this part of the building has been reworked. More recently it became a Watney Mann pub and is now part of Stonegate’s Craft Union chain.

    Here’s what the Tuesday Market Place used to look like, with the Maids Head being the yellow building that’s third from the right (clicking on the image makes it larger). Once a grand square, it’s unfortunately now used as a car park which gives it a similar ambience to the outside of a Tesco Extra store.

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    There was a choice of Doom Bar or Timothy Taylor’s Landlord, so we both went for the latter and it was keenly priced at £3 per pint. The beer was well-kept and tasted as expected, so all was well.

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    The interior of the pub was modern and kitted out like many other Craft Union pubs. It’s all a little generic for me, Stonegate tend to make the pub fit its standard interior decor plans rather than looking at the venue and basing the design around that. It’s an area that smaller pub companies and national chains such as JD Wetherspoon are far better on, their localisation is frequently impressive. However, it was clean and comfortable, so there were no problems there. Given that Craft Union claim they spent £200,000 on this last year, I’m surprised they didn’t do something more creative, although in fairness, the internal divisions which would have added character were removed long ago.

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    The bar area and sports are shown throughout the pub. The pub is generally well reviewed, with frequent mention of their low pricing, although there is an unanswered and odd review noting:

    “So my husband and son went to kings Lynn music festival and went to have a drink in the maids head, my son went to use the toilet and was ordered by the bounser to get to the back of the non existent queue he went back to the bouncer and said he wanted to use the toilet and was violently pushed into the railings and landed on the floor, the bouncer and another one jumped on top of my son grabbing him by the throat and was literally strangling him only letting go when his dad intervened. When is it nessesary to use these tactics when a customer asked to use the toilet. I certainly won’t be recommending this pub to anyone and most definitely won’t drink in there again. Their bouncers are appalling”

    I can imagine there’s more to this, but it’s certainly sub-optimal for a venue to have this sort of review. The pub was in the news recently when one of their door staff was attacked, with the defendant’s solicitor stating:

    “This is the first time she had been out, she thought for enjoyment, in a number of years. She went out and drank far too much. She was intoxicated, and that is why she has very little memory of the incident itself.”

    From this and some reviews, it certainly feels like there might be more of an edge to the venue in the evenings and so perhaps Julian and I missed out on some more raucous action.

    Anyway, all was clean and organised, with the team member who served us being polite and helpful, as well as offering a friendly farewell. There’s an effort with the presentation with hanging baskets outside and the atmosphere was inviting and comfortable. The pricing is low and competitive with the large JD Wetherspoon Globe Hotel located on the opposite side of the market square. The venue doesn’t serve food and so their USP appears to be competitively priced drinks in a community pub style atmosphere. I enjoyed the visit and the surroundings were well maintained with the beer being well-kept, so the manager seems to be doing a decent job.

  • King’s Lynn – Lattice House (Two Julians)

    King’s Lynn – Lattice House (Two Julians)

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    Another day and Julian and I were off on another of our study tours. This pub has its name back again, the former Lattice House was changed to Bishops of Chapel Street but it has gone back to what it was previously called and it has recently reopened after being closed for a few months. For many years it was operated by JD Wetherspoon and the historic nature of the building is what made this one of my favourite pubs in their chain, but it was flogged off in early 2016 as they likely thought their nearby Globe Hotel pub was sufficient for their needs. I’ve written about this venue before, as it went through a period as a restaurant when people in their early 20s were entirely banned and unsurprisingly that little initiative didn’t work and it closed after just a few months. Even younger people can enjoy decent food.

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    As the sign notes, the pub was originally built in the late fifteenth century as a row of shops, but became an inn in the early eighteenth century. It ceased being a pub in 1919 when the licence wasn’t renewed, but was reopened in 1982 when CAMRA themselves took it over. It then became a JD Wetherspoon venue in July 2000 and they kept it until 2016.

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    The Lynn News reported in May 2023 that a new owner had taken over, with an attempt to give the venue some stability after its recent closure.

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    We both ordered half of the Jigfoot from Moon Gazer (I like Moon Gazer) and the team member mentioned that he’d probably only have enough for one of us as it was near the end of the barrel. I quickly switched to the Pintail from the same brewery and Julian followed, an end of the barrel beer isn’t very appealing and we thought we’d let another customer take that chance. The Pintail was well kept, at the appropriate temperature and tasted as expected.

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    The interior of this pub is outstanding and there’s an upstairs bar and gallery area which looks down on the main hall.

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    There are a number of smaller rooms, although this area did lack some atmosphere. This is one of the evident challenges of this building, it’s large and something of an odd shape so it’s hard to see what’s going on throughout the various rooms.

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    The bar itself covers three different rooms and there’s no shortage of character in the pub as a whole.

    The welcome was friendly and immediate, with the surroundings feeling comfortable and it’s hard not to be taken in by the beauty of the building itself. The team members also offered a polite farewell when we left the pub, so the service was always warm and helpful. The pub has a challenge that it’s near a Wetherspoons and two Craft Union pubs which all have low prices, but the beers here were reasonably priced. It wasn’t evident to me whether food was being sold as there were no menus on tables, although an external sign notes that cakes are available.

    It’s marvellous that this pub is open again and it was the first one that I wanted to visit as part of our expedition to the town for research purposes. I’m sure it’ll evolve over the next few months, but I rather enjoyed visiting here again and it’s hard to remember now when it was operated by Wetherspoons although there are some clues around such as the tiling and other internal decoration which remains.

  • Attleborough – Bear Inn Public House (closed in 2000)

    Attleborough – Bear Inn Public House (closed in 2000)

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    Julian and I went on a little meander at the weekend to the London Tavern and the Griffin Hotel as part of our attempt to visit every pub in Norfolk and Suffolk. There aren’t many pubs left in the town centre of Attleborough, but I was merrily reading the story of the Bear pub which was located on Queens Road. The odd story of this pub’s demise was written about in the Diss Express on Friday 16 April 1999, although they were hopeful of finding a resolution at the time, when the owner Spring Inns announced they wanted to sell the building. Spring Inns had purchased the property from Pubmaster and they were one of the pub companies that was swept up by the larger pubcos, leaving a trail of destruction in their path, but I digress.

    But the relevant part here is that the new landlady, Susan Dickerson, had been the landlady of her pub for just two days before Spring Inns announced their decision. That feels highly sub-optimal. She had been promised a two year lease and had left her job working on the checkout of one of the town’s supermarkets. She had thrown herself into her new pub, operating it on a community basis with three pool teams, a darts team and a bowling team. Dickerson was hopeful of a positive outcome as she clearly loved her pub, but it shut anyway and was turned into housing. It was a sad end to a pub that had been trading since the late eighteenth century and it looks like a traditional old building that would have been a credit to the town.

    There are some other stories from the pub over the centuries, including from 1853 when a James Back and a William Barnes were drinking in the venue. They then thought it would be a marvellous idea to race two friends, John Anderson and a lad called Gooch, on their horse and cart and Back and Barnes were riding in a waggon without reins. This ended in disaster when there was a crash with Anderson dying and Gooch being seriously injured. The two drunken men were fined £1 each, but the Bear weren’t considered culpable in the whole arrangement. Numerous coroner courts and public auctions were also held at the Bear, a reminder of when pubs were very much part of their local community and their functioning. They still are to a large degree, but unfortunately there are far fewer of them.

    Anyway, I’d like to know more about this pub and if anyone does have any recollections or photos, let me know at jw@julianwhite.uk.